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He regards God as no more probable than the tooth fairy. You can't disprove either hypothesis, and both are equally improbable. He is an a-theist to exactly the same large extent that he is an a-fairyist. And agnostic about both, to the same small extent. You have no rational answer. That is the point of the argument I.

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The point is that God is his own reason and his own cause and since this is not understandable to our mind, He is irrational. However to say this about the world being its own reason and being its own causewhich is the only alternative, sounds quite strange. And it means the world would be non-understandable, irrational. There is absolutely any reason to assume that there should be nothing and no reason at all to assume that the world could have free online indian chat into being without a cause or without even the possibility of coming into.

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They have two irrational choices, believe in God or an eternal irrational world. Of course they'd chose what their peers chose: I concede that there is a third choice: Which means not believing that there is a God but saying chaf cannot know.

In my opinion this is actually the only onlien alternative to believing that God exists. This can be answered with cause-effect reasoning.

A cause-effect relationship is a relationship in which one event the cause makes another event happen the effect. One cause can have several effects. Assuming again god created this universe, universe is the product of. Every product like a house, is the work of an agent therefore the world which is a product, must have an agent or creator who is called god. Garrettsville OH wife swapping we know this inference is inconclusive, because the one of the premise 'the world is a product' is doubtful.

How is it proved that the world is a product? It can't be said that the world is a product because it has parts. Wherever we perceive anything being produced, the producer or the agent is found to work on the material with his limbs. We don't have to bring the idea of product into. The world is a causal thing.

Look out the window. Everything happens for a reason.